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Post by Craig Herbertson on Jan 7, 2013 13:49:08 GMT
Yes, there's a light glimmering under the old oak door and the sound of something dreadful banging about in the lab.
Submit stuff - nobody has any idea what will happen next - but then we never did.
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Post by Calenture on Jan 9, 2013 22:35:26 GMT
Submit stuff - nobody has any idea what will happen next - but then we never did. Absolutely right. I'm maybe being too cautious here, but I just tapped out some thoughts on submissions. This morning I found some new writings at a blog - which I think is the work of someone not a member of this site or Vault. But as we don't want to repeat past mistakes, I won't be posting a link to it publicly - not yet. In the past we did give away a lot before publication, which probably wasn't the most sensible thing... (In the case of Des's blogs probably unique rules have to apply as there are so many stories even he can't remember them all! )
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Post by Calenture on Jan 9, 2013 23:46:38 GMT
We've been nattering about submissions and agree with all of the following:
1. A closed shop so that only members can see posted work when logged-in.
2. Hunting around blogs to find 'externally' posted stories which might have reached an entirely different readership, keeping quiet about such finds until after magazine publication.
3. Stories submitted as email attachments.
Some terrific stories have been found by all these methods.
Craig's suggested smallish thumbnails for the illustrations, which seems good to me.
We figured that the odd story being known wouldn't be bad - it's all or most of them being read already that maybe takes away the bite.
Right, Craig, over to you!
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Post by penelope on Jan 10, 2013 12:10:10 GMT
Great to see FC is back ...hello everyone ...
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Post by weirdmonger on Jan 10, 2013 12:27:44 GMT
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Jan 10, 2013 15:05:14 GMT
Hi Des,
the boundaries are becoming blurred between the virtual world and the so called real world.
I want the members fiction to be in one category really - open to members only, because I would regard this as a workshop where people play around with ideas with perhaps a view to getting them published elsewhere. Without going into a 'how many angels on a pin argument' about what is a process and what is a thing I would like the stories on the closed workshop to be regarded in quasi legal terms as works in progress until they're published in FC perhaps, or taken away elsewhere to be published.
Authors should delete whatever stories they wish at the appropriate time from the workshop if they wish.
I propose we keep the open section of submissions there as an archive and if you want to give up your possibility of producing a first publication there don't use it.
What the legal or contractual standing of this is I have no idea.Perhaps that will come out when someone makes a million bucks out a story here and then its taken away because it infringed a rule. On the other hand if you want a story to be looked at privately with a view to publishing it pm me with the story.
(and preface every story title with the words "Draft for..."
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Jan 10, 2013 15:06:20 GMT
Great to see FC is back ...hello everyone ... You are welcome always Lady Walker
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Post by weirdmonger on Jan 10, 2013 15:25:17 GMT
Some good thoughts below. Thanks, Craig. des Hi Des, the boundaries are becoming blurred between the virtual world and the so called real world. I want the members fiction to be in one category really - open to members only, because I would regard this as a workshop where people play around with ideas with perhaps a view to getting them published elsewhere. Without going into a 'how many angels on a pin argument' about what is a process and what is a thing I would like the stories on the closed workshop to be regarded in quasi legal terms as works in progress until they're published in FC perhaps, or taken away elsewhere to be published. Authors should delete whatever stories they wish at the appropriate time from the workshop if they wish. I propose we keep the open section of submissions there as an archive and if you want to give up your possibility of producing a first publication there don't use it. What the legal or contractual standing of this is I have no idea.Perhaps that will come out when someone makes a million bucks out a story here and then its taken away because it infringed a rule. On the other hand if you want a story to be looked at privately with a view to publishing it pm me with the story. (and preface every story title with the words "Draft for..."
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Jan 10, 2013 17:26:41 GMT
I'm just thinking out loud Des and if anything occurs to you please let us know.
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Post by corpsecandle on Jan 10, 2013 19:33:57 GMT
For Filthy Creations to be back a HUGE bonus I was just glad to see Rog alive and well but now one of my fav small press publication is back I am also a little confused as to these ideas for how the forum will go in the near future Craig. Is it a case of any stories that a person wants to submit should not be placed on the forum but be submitted to F.C for consideration? That makes a lot of sense to me as it keeps F.C THE only place to see such tales and the members only bit is a good idea as well. If someone is interested enough they can join this place really easily and get involved. There is however I have read the ideas wrong and you will say something like: "No James that's wrong" Would Yourself Craig and Rog be currently open to forum suggestions and ideas? Is this a sort of restyling or "adjustment" of F.C and the website?
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Post by Calenture on Jan 10, 2013 22:11:51 GMT
Hello Penni and Corpsie,
Great to see you both here.
I think you answered your own question there, James. As for new suggestions, you can always try us.
Submitting stories - well, I guess we finally decided the other editors collecting stories probably had it right asking for submissions by email attachment... or posts seen by logged-in members' only in the 'closed' workshop.
I'm out of here. Wanted to say hello but I'm keen to see Craig struggling under the weight of work.
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Jan 11, 2013 18:44:26 GMT
For Filthy Creations to be back a HUGE bonus I was just glad to see Rog alive and well but now one of my fav small press publication is back I am also a little confused as to these ideas for how the forum will go in the near future Craig. Is it a case of any stories that a person wants to submit should not be placed on the forum but be submitted to F.C for consideration? That makes a lot of sense to me as it keeps F.C THE only place to see such tales and the members only bit is a good idea as well. If someone is interested enough they can join this place really easily and get involved. There is however I have read the ideas wrong and you will say something like: "No James that's wrong" Would Yourself Craig and Rog be currently open to forum suggestions and ideas? Is this a sort of restyling or "adjustment" of F.C and the website? I'm an idealist and probably Rog is even more of an idealist and I think openness is a great ideal to strive for. Unfortunately sometimes its simpler to just set boundaries. I agree that if you want to get involved in a group to some extent that group should have boundaries otherwise by definition it isn't really a group. So, I think a closed shop open to anyone who wants to contribute is just a bit comfier. Basically post stuff up the closed section and the various writers hopefully will make comments and help. You can send a story direct to me on craigherbertson@yahoo.com but only if you're a member - personally I wouldn't bother though because a few people looking at your work in a friendly atmosphere is probably better. We'll be publishing FC again with the usual sad feature that its only a platform and authors will get a contributors copy. Essentially there is less than no money at this level of magazine so if we break even that will be a bit of a miracle. On the other hand some of the contributors write fantastic stuff and that's a huge plus.
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Post by corpsecandle on Jan 14, 2013 1:42:08 GMT
For Filthy Creations to be back a HUGE bonus I was just glad to see Rog alive and well but now one of my fav small press publication is back I am also a little confused as to these ideas for how the forum will go in the near future Craig. Is it a case of any stories that a person wants to submit should not be placed on the forum but be submitted to F.C for consideration? That makes a lot of sense to me as it keeps F.C THE only place to see such tales and the members only bit is a good idea as well. If someone is interested enough they can join this place really easily and get involved. There is however I have read the ideas wrong and you will say something like: "No James that's wrong" Would Yourself Craig and Rog be currently open to forum suggestions and ideas? Is this a sort of restyling or "adjustment" of F.C and the website? I'm an idealist and probably Rog is even more of an idealist and I think openness is a great ideal to strive for. Unfortunately sometimes its simpler to just set boundaries. I agree that if you want to get involved in a group to some extent that group should have boundaries otherwise by definition it isn't really a group. So, I think a closed shop open to anyone who wants to contribute is just a bit comfier. Basically post stuff up the closed section and the various writers hopefully will make comments and help. You can send a story direct to me on craigherbertson@yahoo.com but only if you're a member - personally I wouldn't bother though because a few people looking at your work in a friendly atmosphere is probably better. We'll be publishing FC again with the usual sad feature that its only a platform and authors will get a contributors copy. Essentially there is less than no money at this level of magazine so if we break even that will be a bit of a miracle. On the other hand some of the contributors write fantastic stuff and that's a huge plus. Personally I am just pleased there is an outlet for me to write and get in print (should the story be good enough) and that to me is the basic state of the small press. Also especially since FC doesn't have a digital version you can't download on PDF it is also a case of print media shrinking. Would you guys ever consider doing a PDF version of F.C? I don't mean FC to go exclusively digital but as a way of getting more folk to read it. To compliment to print version. I will admit to not knowing an awful lot about that side of things but it could unearth a section of the readership who think "Ah, I would get it but it's a quid more than I can afford and I don't trust the post these days". I'll have to start reading for other peoples work here as well and put a story or two of mine on.
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Post by Craig Herbertson on Jan 14, 2013 10:50:42 GMT
Yes, its good to have this kind of magazine. That might be an argument against PDF. One of the attractions for everyone here is that there is not too much pressure on FC - some great writers, but not too much deliberation about finance/ promo and so.
I wouldn't rule out PDF but maybe on the basis of a number of mags - 1-5 or something. What would it cost to do?
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Post by Calenture on Jan 14, 2013 11:36:46 GMT
I wouldn't rule out PDF but maybe on the basis of a number of mags - 1-5 or something. What would it cost to do? How much would PDF mags cost to do? PDFs cost nothing, not even much time, which is the reason there are so many downloadable PDF magazines. Or have I misunderstood you, Craig? It would be necessary to make two PDFs, one for hard-copy printing and another for downloading, as the PDF intended for the printer juggles the pages about as a necessity and makes it awkward to read pages in proper order. A downloadable FC might be an option - it might be interesting to see the result. But I think the printed magazine has to be priority.
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